Star Wars, What if it had happened differently?

So I was thnking. What if, Instead of keeping his and Padme's relationship a secret, Anakin had simply come clean and told the Jedi Council the truth. Its against the rules for a Jedi to marry, but its also against the rules for a Jedi to lie; Isn't Lying the reater sin? With lying comes Fear that the truth will become known. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering, and the dark side that is.
So what do you guys think? If Anakin had come clean instead of keeping a secret, how would things have been different? And I want deep, meaningful, answers, not just stuff like "Well, he wouldn't have turned to the dark side and become Darth Vader..." You know, Be spesific!

Well, he'd most likely be kicked out of the Order, or at least moved into AgriCorps (the later being quite unlikely due to his status as the Chosen One). There's no telling what might happen after that. Considering how far he was through his training as a Jedi, he might become a Dark Jedi or something. ...Honestly I have no clue, Force-users that are sorta just living out their lives instead of being Jedi or Sith are rather rare.

There'd also be some problems for Padme I suspect. If it were known that she had gone as far as to marry a Jedi, that'd probably be a bad mark on her record. Naboo might even elect a new senator to replace her under those circumstances. That might even affect the outcome of the Clone Wars due to her prominent place as a major voice in the Senate (That's not necessarily a bad thing from my Seppie-based viewpoint, but we'll go with the general idea that it'd be bad).

Ariklego wrote:

Well, he'd most likely be kicked out of the Order, or at least moved into AgriCorps (the later being quite unlikely due to his status as the Chosen One). There's no telling what might happen after that. Considering how far he was through his training as a Jedi, he might become a Dark Jedi or something. ...Honestly I have no clue, Force-users that are sorta just living out their lives instead of being Jedi or Sith are rather rare.

There'd also be some problems for Padme I suspect. If it were known that she had gone as far as to marry a Jedi, that'd probably be a bad mark on her record. Naboo might even elect a new senator to replace her under those circumstances. That might even affect the outcome of the Clone Wars due to her prominent place as a major voice in the Senate (That's not necessarily a bad thing from my Seppie-based viewpoint, but we'll go with the general idea that it'd be bad).

Those are some pretty good thoughts. Here's a question: How would Obi-Wan react? (think back to Ep.3; In Ani and Obi-Wan were like brothers untill the end).

I think that the jedi order already knew about Anakin and Padme. In the second book Obi-wan and Mace Windo talked about it and since Anakin was the chosen one they decided to just let it be and see how it turned out. It clearly didn't work. If Anakin told the order, they probably would have told him the same old thing "Jedi are not alloud to love." He would have just ignored them though.

Brickbrycebrick wrote:

I think that the jedi order already knew about Anakin and Padme. In the second book Obi-wan and Mace Windo talked about it and since Anakin was the chosen one they decided to just let it be and see how it turned out. It clearly didn't work. If Anakin told the order, they probably would have told him the same old thing "Jedi are not alloud to love." He would have just ignored them though.

"Mace Windo" You realize its actually "Windu" right?

Anyhow, You say they would just have told him that Jedi are not "allowed to love". Then what? Just leave it at that? Do they tell him to dump Padme? Do they kick him out? Maybe they go into deep discussion about what it really means to be a Jedi...

You seem to imply that the Darth Vader transformation would meerly have been delayed rather than prevented.

RichTheWolf257 wrote:

Brickbrycebrick wrote:

I think that the jedi order already knew about Anakin and Padme. In the second book Obi-wan and Mace Windo talked about it and since Anakin was the chosen one they decided to just let it be and see how it turned out. It clearly didn't work. If Anakin told the order, they probably would have told him the same old thing "Jedi are not alloud to love." He would have just ignored them though.

"Mace Windo" You realize its actually "Windu" right?

Anyhow, You say they would just have told him that Jedi are not "allowed to love". Then what? Just leave it at that? Do they tell him to dump Padme? Do they kick him out? Maybe they go into deep discussion about what it really means to be a Jedi...

You seem to imply that the Darth Vader transformation would meerly have been delayed rather than prevented.

Honestly I don't think marrying Padme was the real problem. He'd never have turned to the Dark Side because of that situation if it weren't for his precognition problems (speaking of which, do you think maybe Sidious was partly behind that? Him and Plageuis did things like that a few times, and I have yet to figure out how he knew to speak of Darth Plageuis's ability to keep people from dying to Anakin) he'd never have turned to the Dark Side to save his wife. Maybe. I honestly don't know how the Jedi could design a policy of somehow "punishing" Jedi that break the "No Attachments" rule without turning them to the Dark Side...

Ariklego wrote:

RichTheWolf257 wrote:

Brickbrycebrick wrote:

I think that the jedi order already knew about Anakin and Padme. In the second book Obi-wan and Mace Windo talked about it and since Anakin was the chosen one they decided to just let it be and see how it turned out. It clearly didn't work. If Anakin told the order, they probably would have told him the same old thing "Jedi are not alloud to love." He would have just ignored them though.

"Mace Windo" You realize its actually "Windu" right?

Anyhow, You say they would just have told him that Jedi are not "allowed to love". Then what? Just leave it at that? Do they tell him to dump Padme? Do they kick him out? Maybe they go into deep discussion about what it really means to be a Jedi...

You seem to imply that the Darth Vader transformation would meerly have been delayed rather than prevented.

Honestly I don't think marrying Padme was the real problem. He'd never have turned to the Dark Side because of that situation if it weren't for his precognition problems (speaking of which, do you think maybe Sidious was partly behind that? Him and Plageuis did things like that a few times, and I have yet to figure out how he knew to speak of Darth Plageuis's ability to keep people from dying to Anakin) he'd never have turned to the Dark Side to save his wife. Maybe. I honestly don't know how the Jedi could design a policy of somehow "punishing" Jedi that break the "No Attachments" rule without turning them to the Dark Side...

Hmmm... I think Sidious was a definite contributing factor to Anakin's dreams about Padme.

Regardless, what happened is that Sidious used what he knew about Anakin to exploit his lust for power (Ignited by the loss of his mother), which is what caused him to break.

But I agree, It wasn't Anakin's relationship with Padme that started him on the Dark Path, but the need to hide said relationship....

RichTheWolf257 wrote:

So I was thnking. What if, Instead of keeping his and Padme's relationship a secret, Anakin had simply come clean and told the Jedi Council the truth. Its against the rules for a Jedi to marry, but its also against the rules for a Jedi to lie; Isn't Lying the reater sin? With lying comes Fear that the truth will become known. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering, and the dark side that is.
So what do you guys think? If Anakin had come clean instead of keeping a secret, how would things have been different? And I want deep, meaningful, answers, not just stuff like "Well, he wouldn't have turned to the dark side and become Darth Vader..." You know, Be spesific!

I think Anakin would've tried to convince the order that attachment is good and that if Jedi could make babies, there children would be more powerful in the force (you know, because 2 + 2 = 4, not -3.). Maybe the council would have listened, or maybe not. I think Obi-Wan would've been on Anakin's side, as would Palpatine. I think that they could have revolutionized the Jedi order.

LTE the Mechanier wrote:

RichTheWolf257 wrote:

So I was thnking. What if, Instead of keeping his and Padme's relationship a secret, Anakin had simply come clean and told the Jedi Council the truth. Its against the rules for a Jedi to marry, but its also against the rules for a Jedi to lie; Isn't Lying the reater sin? With lying comes Fear that the truth will become known. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering, and the dark side that is.
So what do you guys think? If Anakin had come clean instead of keeping a secret, how would things have been different? And I want deep, meaningful, answers, not just stuff like "Well, he wouldn't have turned to the dark side and become Darth Vader..." You know, Be spesific!

I think Anakin would've tried to convince the order that attachment is good and that if Jedi could make babies, there children would be more powerful in the force (you know, because 2 + 2 = 4, not -3.). Maybe the council would have listened, or maybe not. I think Obi-Wan would've been on Anakin's side, as would Palpatine. I think that they could have revolutionized the Jedi order.

I like your thinking. On the other hand, The Jedi High Council appears to take an inflexible position against such sudden change. While these events would ignite a spark and lead to eventual revolutionization of the Order, Perhaps a more probable immediate result would be Kenobi and Skywalker starting a new Jedi Order Offshoot...

On a side note, Palpatine's attempts to influence the Council in favor of such a change would probably increace suspicion that he is Darth Sidious, thus accellerating his demise.

Good thoughts. Anything else?

RichTheWolf257 wrote:

Brickbrycebrick wrote:

I think that the jedi order already knew about Anakin and Padme. In the second book Obi-wan and Mace Windo talked about it and since Anakin was the chosen one they decided to just let it be and see how it turned out. It clearly didn't work. If Anakin told the order, they probably would have told him the same old thing "Jedi are not alloud to love." He would have just ignored them though.

"Mace Windo" You realize its actually "Windu" right?

Anyhow, You say they would just have told him that Jedi are not "allowed to love". Then what? Just leave it at that? Do they tell him to dump Padme? Do they kick him out? Maybe they go into deep discussion about what it really means to be a Jedi...

You seem to imply that the Darth Vader transformation would meerly have been delayed rather than prevented.

Yes, that's what I meant. I don't think that there is really any way that Anikan would not have turned to the dark side, in the third book it was death itself that scared him. After witnessing darth Maul kill Obi-Wans master (These guys have weird names) he realized that everything dies, it also says in the third book that in the clone wars he was once on a dying star which made him afraid of loosing those closest to him. Padm'e was not the only one he feared too lose either, Obi-one and chancellor Palpatine (wierd name) were others. I think that the moment on Naboo is what changed him and if he was not changed by that he would have let Mace Windu kill the chancellor (if the chancellor even told anikan his secret).

RichTheWolf257 wrote:

I like your thinking. On the other hand, The Jedi High Council appears to take an inflexible position against such sudden change. While these events would ignite a spark and lead to eventual revolutionization of the Order, Perhaps a more probable immediate result would be Kenobi and Skywalker starting a new Jedi Order Offshoot...

On a side note, Palpatine's attempts to influence the Council in favor of such a change would probably increace suspicion that he is Darth Sidious, thus accellerating his demise.

Good thoughts. Anything else?

A new jedi order offshoot? what would the council think of that, hm?
If you ask me, I think that would cause a war between the old order and the new one, ultimately accomplishing what Palpatine wants accomplished-- the destruction of the jedi. But without Anakin at his side, I think he wouldn't be powerful enough to start the empire. In my opinion.

What about order 66? If Anakin revealed that he had married Padme, would Sidious have sent the order?

LTE the Mechanier wrote:

RichTheWolf257 wrote:

I like your thinking. On the other hand, The Jedi High Council appears to take an inflexible position against such sudden change. While these events would ignite a spark and lead to eventual revolutionization of the Order, Perhaps a more probable immediate result would be Kenobi and Skywalker starting a new Jedi Order Offshoot...

On a side note, Palpatine's attempts to influence the Council in favor of such a change would probably increace suspicion that he is Darth Sidious, thus accellerating his demise.

Good thoughts. Anything else?

A new jedi order offshoot? what would the council think of that, hm?
If you ask me, I think that would cause a war between the old order and the new one, ultimately accomplishing what Palpatine wants accomplished-- the destruction of the jedi. But without Anakin at his side, I think he wouldn't be powerful enough to start the empire. In my opinion.

What about order 66? If Anakin revealed that he had married Padme, would Sidious have sent the order?

I was thinking more along the lines of the original Jedi Order pretty much ignoring the New Order, untill both Orders are ready to re-unite. Such a chain of events would be easily facilitated if the New Order is established on a more remote planet. I'm thinking Yavin IV.

As for Order 66, I think we need to look into the spesific chain of events set off by Anakin's confession.

RichTheWolf257 wrote:

LTE the Mechanier wrote:

RichTheWolf257 wrote:

I like your thinking. On the other hand, The Jedi High Council appears to take an inflexible position against such sudden change. While these events would ignite a spark and lead to eventual revolutionization of the Order, Perhaps a more probable immediate result would be Kenobi and Skywalker starting a new Jedi Order Offshoot...

On a side note, Palpatine's attempts to influence the Council in favor of such a change would probably increace suspicion that he is Darth Sidious, thus accellerating his demise.

Good thoughts. Anything else?

A new jedi order offshoot? what would the council think of that, hm?
If you ask me, I think that would cause a war between the old order and the new one, ultimately accomplishing what Palpatine wants accomplished-- the destruction of the jedi. But without Anakin at his side, I think he wouldn't be powerful enough to start the empire. In my opinion.

What about order 66? If Anakin revealed that he had married Padme, would Sidious have sent the order?

I was thinking more along the lines of the original Jedi Order pretty much ignoring the New Order, untill both Orders are ready to re-unite. Such a chain of events would be easily facilitated if the New Order is established on a more remote planet. I'm thinking Yavin IV.

As for Order 66, I think we need to look into the spesific chain of events set off by Anakin's confession.

We should write a timeline.

RichTheWolf257 wrote:

I was thinking more along the lines of the original Jedi Order pretty much ignoring the New Order, untill both Orders are ready to re-unite. Such a chain of events would be easily facilitated if the New Order is established on a more remote planet. I'm thinking Yavin IV.

Similar things DID happen occasionally. There were a good many different Jedi Praxeums throughout history, which, if I understand correctly, were just offshoots of the main Jedi Order.

And there WERE constantly little "sects" of Jedi parting with the Order and forming smaller groups with their own ideals and beliefs on how to live as a Jedi.


The only issue I see with Anakin forming some separate Order and living on some remote planet is that Anakin and most of the Jedi that'd likely follow him were heavily-involved with the war, and would probably want to stay fighting against the "Evils of the Separatists".

Ariklego wrote:

Similar things DID happen occasionally. There were a good many different Jedi Praxeums throughout history, which, if I understand correctly, were just offshoots of the main Jedi Order.

And there WERE constantly little "sects" of Jedi parting with the Order and forming smaller groups with their own ideals and beliefs on how to live as a Jedi.


The only issue I see with Anakin forming some separate Order and living on some remote planet is that Anakin and most of the Jedi that'd likely follow him were heavily-involved with the war, and would probably want to stay fighting against the "Evils of the Separatists".

Good point there... maybe they would attack the separatists with guerrilla tactics? I definitely agree with you though, I don't think they would retreat to Yavin IV . Maybe they would commandeer a star cruiser and have a mobile base? I think that would make the most sense if they were using guerrilla tactics to fight the separatists.

LTE the Mechanier wrote:

Ariklego wrote:

Similar things DID happen occasionally. There were a good many different Jedi Praxeums throughout history, which, if I understand correctly, were just offshoots of the main Jedi Order.

And there WERE constantly little "sects" of Jedi parting with the Order and forming smaller groups with their own ideals and beliefs on how to live as a Jedi.


The only issue I see with Anakin forming some separate Order and living on some remote planet is that Anakin and most of the Jedi that'd likely follow him were heavily-involved with the war, and would probably want to stay fighting against the "Evils of the Separatists".

Good point there... maybe they would attack the separatists with guerrilla tactics? I definitely agree with you though, I don't think they would retreat to Yavin IV . Maybe they would commandeer a star cruiser and have a mobile base? I think that would make the most sense if they were using guerrilla tactics to fight the separatists.

Now we're getting somewhere! So here's what we have so far:

#1. Some time before (or during, maybe?) the events of Ep. III, Anakin Skywalker Confesses his relationship with Senator Amidala (Now Senator Skywalker) And is banished (or possibly resigns?) from the Jedi Order.

#2.Master Kenobi resigns from the Order to join Anakin and Padme.

#3. Kenobi and the Skywalkers commandeer a star cruiser to act as a base of operations for an Offshoot Jedi Order, and use said cruiser to carry out guerrilla attacks against the CIS.

I imagine that, at this point, the assassinations of Darth Tyranus (Count Dooku), General Greivous, and The other Seperatist leaders would be carried out by Skywalker and Kenobi. This would bring the war to a sudden and unexpected end, and set off a chain of less significant events that would expose Darth Sidious.

I have a theory as to what happens next, but I want to know what you guys think.

RichTheWolf257 wrote:

Now we're getting somewhere! So here's what we have so far:

#1. Some time before (or during, maybe?) the events of Ep. III, Anakin Skywalker Confesses his relationship with Senator Amidala (Now Senator Skywalker) And is banished (or possibly resigns?) from the Jedi Order.

#2.Master Kenobi resigns from the Order to join Anakin and Padme.

#3. Kenobi and the Skywalkers commandeer a star cruiser to act as a base of operations for an Offshoot Jedi Order, and use said cruiser to carry out guerrilla attacks against the CIS.

I imagine that, at this point, the assassinations of Darth Tyranus (Count Dooku), General Greivous, and The other Seperatist leaders would be carried out by Skywalker and Kenobi. This would bring the war to a sudden and unexpected end, and set off a chain of less significant events that would expose Darth Sidious.

I have a theory as to what happens next, but I want to know what you guys think.

#1. Some time before (or during, maybe?) the events of Ep. III, Anakin Skywalker Confesses his relationship with Senator Amidala (Now Senator Skywalker) And is banished (or possibly resigns?) from the Jedi Order.

#2.Master Kenobi resigns from the Order to join Anakin and Padme.

#3. Kenobi and the Skywalkers commandeer a star cruiser to act as a base of operations for an Offshoot Jedi Order, and use said cruiser to carry out guerrilla attacks against the CIS.

#4. Anakin's new Jedi Order assassinates Dooku and Grievous in the battle for Coruscant. (optional)-> Due to miscommunication, they accidentally destroy the ship Palpatine is held captive on, eliminating the threat of Darth Sidious and the Empire. Evidence is then found by the Jedi Order that he was a sith.

#5. After some consideration, the Jedi Order and the New Jedi Order join together due to the heroic actions of the new one in ending the war and destroying the Sith. The Old order allows marriage.

#6. Luke and Leia are born, the first children to be born into the New Jedi Order.

LTE the Mechanier wrote:

RichTheWolf257 wrote:

Now we're getting somewhere! So here's what we have so far:

#1. Some time before (or during, maybe?) the events of Ep. III, Anakin Skywalker Confesses his relationship with Senator Amidala (Now Senator Skywalker) And is banished (or possibly resigns?) from the Jedi Order.

#2.Master Kenobi resigns from the Order to join Anakin and Padme.

#3. Kenobi and the Skywalkers commandeer a star cruiser to act as a base of operations for an Offshoot Jedi Order, and use said cruiser to carry out guerrilla attacks against the CIS.

I imagine that, at this point, the assassinations of Darth Tyranus (Count Dooku), General Greivous, and The other Seperatist leaders would be carried out by Skywalker and Kenobi. This would bring the war to a sudden and unexpected end, and set off a chain of less significant events that would expose Darth Sidious.

I have a theory as to what happens next, but I want to know what you guys think.

#1. Some time before (or during, maybe?) the events of Ep. III, Anakin Skywalker Confesses his relationship with Senator Amidala (Now Senator Skywalker) And is banished (or possibly resigns?) from the Jedi Order.

#2.Master Kenobi resigns from the Order to join Anakin and Padme.

#3. Kenobi and the Skywalkers commandeer a star cruiser to act as a base of operations for an Offshoot Jedi Order, and use said cruiser to carry out guerrilla attacks against the CIS.

#4. Anakin's new Jedi Order assassinates Dooku and Grievous in the battle for Coruscant. (optional)-> Due to miscommunication, they accidentally destroy the ship Palpatine is held captive on, eliminating the threat of Darth Sidious and the Empire. Evidence is then found by the Jedi Order that he was a sith.

#5. After some consideration, the Jedi Order and the New Jedi Order join together due to the heroic actions of the new one in ending the war and destroying the Sith. The Old order allows marriage.

#6. Luke and Leia are born, the first children to be born into the New Jedi Order.

You're jumping too far too fast. The Reunification shouldn't be expected to take place At Least untill Luke and Leia's adaulthood.

Here's what I was thinking:

#4. Dooku is assassinated at the battle of Coruscant. Palpatine is "Kidnapped" by Anakin and Obi-Wan and sent to the surface of Cotuscant unconcious in an escape pod. Greivious escapes.

#5. Greivious is assassinated on Utapau.

#6. The remaining CIS Leaders are assassinated on Mustafar. The droids are deactivated. The war is now over.

Palpatine would refuse to give up his emergency powers, thus confirming that he is Darth Sidious.

There are now two options:
A) Mace Windu, Agen Kolar, Saesee Tiin, and Kit Fisto (one of my favorites) Attack Sidious and kill him; no Empire, No order 66, Eventual reunification of the Jedi Order.

B) Windu et. al. attack Sidious unsuccessfully and are killed. Sidious kills Windu et. al., Initiates Order 66, The Empire is brought into existance. Yoda is the sole survivor of the Old Jedi order. Skywalker and Kenobi must assassinate Sidious, find Yoda, and rebuild Jedi Order from scratch.

Arik, I'm leaving this one to you; Does Palpatine die by Windu's hand or by Skywalker's?

RichTheWolf257 wrote:

You're jumping too far too fast. The Reunification shouldn't be expected to take place At Least untill Luke and Leia's adaulthood.

Here's what I was thinking:

#4. Dooku is assassinated at the battle of Coruscant. Palpatine is "Kidnapped" by Anakin and Obi-Wan and sent to the surface of Cotuscant unconcious in an escape pod. Greivious escapes.

#5. Greivious is assassinated on Utapau.

#6. The remaining CIS Leaders are assassinated on Mustafar. The droids are deactivated. The war is now over.

Palpatine would refuse to give up his emergency powers, thus confirming that he is Darth Sidious.

There are now two options:
A) Mace Windu, Agen Kolar, Saesee Tiin, and Kit Fisto (one of my favorites) Attack Sidious and kill him; no Empire, No order 66, Eventual reunification of the Jedi Order.

B) Windu et. al. attack Sidious unsuccessfully and are killed. Sidious kills Windu et. al., Initiates Order 66, The Empire is brought into existance. Yoda is the sole survivor of the Old Jedi order. Skywalker and Kenobi must assassinate Sidious, find Yoda, and rebuild Jedi Order from scratch.

Arik, I'm leaving this one to you; Does Palpatine die by Windu's hand or by Skywalker's?

Just because Palpatine refused to give up emergency powers wouldn't necessarily lead the Jedi to believe he was the Sith Lord. What's more, during peace-time the Senate can take away the Supreme Chancellor's emergency powers at will.

However, just for the fun of it we'll say they found out somehow.


Hmm... I'm gonna have to go with Option B. Option A would put a end to all Dark Side-using villains to easy. I mean, all of the Emperor's Hands, the Inquisitorius, and the other handful of Emperor-serving baddies that can use the Force. I'm pretty sure that includes Lumiya, too, which would leave us with Exar Kun if/when the Jedi first go to Yavin IV,Vergere when the Yuuzhan Vong invade, Abeloth (I think), Joruus C'baoth, any Jedi that go rogue and become Dark Jedi, and Dathomir's residents possibly. That's really not very many if you think about it, and the Sith as an Order would be pretty much toast.

Ariklego wrote:

RichTheWolf257 wrote:

You're jumping too far too fast. The Reunification shouldn't be expected to take place At Least untill Luke and Leia's adaulthood.

Here's what I was thinking:

#4. Dooku is assassinated at the battle of Coruscant. Palpatine is "Kidnapped" by Anakin and Obi-Wan and sent to the surface of Cotuscant unconcious in an escape pod. Greivious escapes.

#5. Greivious is assassinated on Utapau.

#6. The remaining CIS Leaders are assassinated on Mustafar. The droids are deactivated. The war is now over.

Palpatine would refuse to give up his emergency powers, thus confirming that he is Darth Sidious.

There are now two options:
A) Mace Windu, Agen Kolar, Saesee Tiin, and Kit Fisto (one of my favorites) Attack Sidious and kill him; no Empire, No order 66, Eventual reunification of the Jedi Order.

B) Windu et. al. attack Sidious unsuccessfully and are killed. Sidious kills Windu et. al., Initiates Order 66, The Empire is brought into existance. Yoda is the sole survivor of the Old Jedi order. Skywalker and Kenobi must assassinate Sidious, find Yoda, and rebuild Jedi Order from scratch.

Arik, I'm leaving this one to you; Does Palpatine die by Windu's hand or by Skywalker's?

Just because Palpatine refused to give up emergency powers wouldn't necessarily lead the Jedi to believe he was the Sith Lord. What's more, during peace-time the Senate can take away the Supreme Chancellor's emergency powers at will.

However, just for the fun of it we'll say they found out somehow.


Hmm... I'm gonna have to go with Option B. Option A would put a end to all Dark Side-using villains to easy. I mean, all of the Emperor's Hands, the Inquisitorius, and the other handful of Emperor-serving baddies that can use the Force. I'm pretty sure that includes Lumiya, too, which would leave us with Exar Kun if/when the Jedi first go to Yavin IV,Vergere when the Yuuzhan Vong invade, Abeloth (I think), Joruus C'baoth, any Jedi that go rogue and become Dark Jedi, and Dathomir's residents possibly. That's really not very many if you think about it, and the Sith as an Order would be pretty much toast.

Well actually, the Jedi-- particularly Yoda --suspected Palpatine of foul play ever sense the battle of Geonosis. But besides that, you're right.

So, Now we have a complete time line leading up to about 19 ABY:

#1. Some time before the events of Ep. III, Anakin Skywalker Confesses his relationship with Senator Amidala (Now Senator Skywalker) And is banished from the Jedi Order.

#2.Master Kenobi resigns from the Order to join Anakin and Padme.

#3. Kenobi and the Skywalkers commandeer a star cruiser to act as a base of operations for an Offshoot Jedi Order, and use said cruiser to carry out guerrilla attacks against the CIS.

#4. Dooku is assassinated at the battle of Coruscant. Palpatine is "Kidnapped" by Anakin and Obi-Wan and sent to the surface of Cotuscant unconcious in an escape pod. Greivious escapes.

#5. Greivious is assassinated on Utapau.

#6. The remaining CIS Leaders are assassinated on Mustafar. The droids are deactivated. The war is now over.

#7. A failed attempt by Mace Windu et. al. ends in the fall of the Original Jedi Order-- Yoda being the sole survivor --and the rise of the Galactic Empire.

#8. Skwalker and Kenobi assassinate Sidious and restore the Republic, then locate Yoda and work with him to rebuild the Jedi Order. Marriage is now allowed. And since everyone seems to be pressing it: Luke and Leia trained from birth in the ways of the Jedi.

So unless anyone has anything to add. I guess thats it.

RichTheWolf257 wrote:

Ariklego wrote:

RichTheWolf257 wrote:

You're jumping too far too fast. The Reunification shouldn't be expected to take place At Least untill Luke and Leia's adaulthood.

Here's what I was thinking:

#4. Dooku is assassinated at the battle of Coruscant. Palpatine is "Kidnapped" by Anakin and Obi-Wan and sent to the surface of Cotuscant unconcious in an escape pod. Greivious escapes.

#5. Greivious is assassinated on Utapau.

#6. The remaining CIS Leaders are assassinated on Mustafar. The droids are deactivated. The war is now over.

Palpatine would refuse to give up his emergency powers, thus confirming that he is Darth Sidious.

There are now two options:
A) Mace Windu, Agen Kolar, Saesee Tiin, and Kit Fisto (one of my favorites) Attack Sidious and kill him; no Empire, No order 66, Eventual reunification of the Jedi Order.

B) Windu et. al. attack Sidious unsuccessfully and are killed. Sidious kills Windu et. al., Initiates Order 66, The Empire is brought into existance. Yoda is the sole survivor of the Old Jedi order. Skywalker and Kenobi must assassinate Sidious, find Yoda, and rebuild Jedi Order from scratch.

Arik, I'm leaving this one to you; Does Palpatine die by Windu's hand or by Skywalker's?

Just because Palpatine refused to give up emergency powers wouldn't necessarily lead the Jedi to believe he was the Sith Lord. What's more, during peace-time the Senate can take away the Supreme Chancellor's emergency powers at will.

However, just for the fun of it we'll say they found out somehow.


Hmm... I'm gonna have to go with Option B. Option A would put a end to all Dark Side-using villains to easy. I mean, all of the Emperor's Hands, the Inquisitorius, and the other handful of Emperor-serving baddies that can use the Force. I'm pretty sure that includes Lumiya, too, which would leave us with Exar Kun if/when the Jedi first go to Yavin IV,Vergere when the Yuuzhan Vong invade, Abeloth (I think), Joruus C'baoth, any Jedi that go rogue and become Dark Jedi, and Dathomir's residents possibly. That's really not very many if you think about it, and the Sith as an Order would be pretty much toast.

Well actually, the Jedi-- particularly Yoda --suspected Palpatine of foul play ever sense the battle of Geonosis. But besides that, you're right.

So, Now we have a complete time line leading up to about 19 ABY:

#1. Some time before the events of Ep. III, Anakin Skywalker Confesses his relationship with Senator Amidala (Now Senator Skywalker) And is banished from the Jedi Order.

#2.Master Kenobi resigns from the Order to join Anakin and Padme.

#3. Kenobi and the Skywalkers commandeer a star cruiser to act as a base of operations for an Offshoot Jedi Order, and use said cruiser to carry out guerrilla attacks against the CIS.

#4. Dooku is assassinated at the battle of Coruscant. Palpatine is "Kidnapped" by Anakin and Obi-Wan and sent to the surface of Cotuscant unconcious in an escape pod. Greivious escapes.

#5. Greivious is assassinated on Utapau.

#6. The remaining CIS Leaders are assassinated on Mustafar. The droids are deactivated. The war is now over.

#7. A failed attempt by Mace Windu et. al. ends in the fall of the Original Jedi Order-- Yoda being the sole survivor --and the rise of the Galactic Empire.

#8. Skwalker and Kenobi assassinate Sidious and restore the Republic, then locate Yoda and work with him to rebuild the Jedi Order. Marriage is now allowed. And since everyone seems to be pressing it: Luke and Leia trained from birth in the ways of the Jedi.

So unless anyone has anything to add. I guess thats it.

Sidious would take on a new apprentice. Remember the rule of two.

LTE the Mechanier wrote:

Sidious would take on a new apprentice. Remember the rule of two.

He wouldn't have enough time. The New Order would get to him well within a week or so of Greivous's assassination

RichTheWolf257 wrote:

LTE the Mechanier wrote:

Sidious would take on a new apprentice. Remember the rule of two.

He wouldn't have enough time. The New Order would get to him well within a week or so of Greivous's assassination

Well I don't know about that, but if anything it wouldn't be enough time to train a new apprentice from scratch. "Sith Training" (if there were any official name for it) usually takes in excess of ten years to complete, sometimes more.